Romney Gets Fewer Votes Than McCain: Did Evangelicals Stay Home?

We know all the northeastern storm victims were not Republicans – we’re talking about New York and New Jersey, so the possibility of large numbers of GOPers in the area unable to vote, isn’t a factor, so where did all the voters go? Who didn’t go to the polls? Evangelicals? Was it the Mormon Factor? Who did go to the polls? Unions and unions and unions. Blacks voting the revenge Obama called for, Hispanics for the promise of amnesty and free education, and women lured with free abortions and birth control. Was Romney’s refusal to go for the jugular a too-tender reminder of the McCain candidacy?

Those considered in line with Taxed Enough Already (TEA) philosophies voted, even though the jugular was important to them, to me, but we showed up. So who didn’t?

We didn’t vote for Romney in the same numbers we voted for John McCain, yet the vote was about 50-50, and Barack Obama will nominate and seat at least two Supreme Court nominees – which changes this country as nothing else will other than a brutal and heavily armed coup. A guest on Greta tonight, a business owner (sorry I can’t remember his name) said that he will now have to begin reporting the value of his employee’s health care to the IRS which in turn will show up on our (your) W-2 forms. Make no mistake, it’s downhill from here.

Against Despair by Jonah Goldberg (a snippet below – read it all here):

That Mitt Romney got fewer votes than John McCain is dismaying on any number of levels. We were told, by strategists and by what seemed like common sense, that the McCain coalition was a floor for Romney to build up from. The possibility that it was in fact a ceiling is pretty awful to contemplate. It is also pretty infuriating when you think about what the Romney campaign was telling us about their path to 270.

I’ll be blunt: I do not think Mitt Romney ran a good campaign. Don’t get me wrong, I think he worked his heart out as did many who worked for him. I think he made himself into the best candidate he could (which is different from saying he was a great candidate). But I also think that Romney’s theory of the contest was wrong. As I wrote at the time, the Republican convention was a mess. I think Romney strategist Stu Stevens’s contempt for ideas — never mind conservative ideas — was absurd. I think the failure of the Romney campaign to offer a compelling explanation of any kind (at least until the second debate) for how it wasn’t a third Bush term was fatal (as I discussed here and elsewhere). Politics is about persuasion. And persuasion requires making serious arguments. Stevens, by all accounts, has contempt for serious arguments.

None of this means that all of the talk about changing demographics and long-term structural challenges for the GOP is without merit. I have strong views about all of that as well.

In fact, I have a different view from some about the coming wave of recriminations: I welcome it. I don’t know that things need to be vicious or personal, but they do need to be honest. And honesty requires we say things that may feel personal to our friends. This is one of the great and abiding strengths of the conservative movement and the thing I love about it most. Contrary to the conventional wisdom among liberals, conservatives are actually far more willing to examine their dogma and their first principles than liberals or “centrists” are. This has been the source of conservatism’s lasting strength.

Or on the other side. The question looms. Where did the voters go? Nowhere?(Read it all at Commentary Magazine)

As I write, Mitt Romney has 57.4 million votes. John McCain ended up with 59.9 million. It’s a little noticed fact that in two weeks following every presidential election, votes continue to be reported…by the millions. As I recall, Barack Obama got something like four million more votes in the weeks after election day, while John McCain got two or three million. It’s likely that by Thanksgiving, the final vote tally will show Romney very close to or even slightly exceeding McCain’s total.

So there are probably no missing voters. The idea offers a certain degree of cold comfort for conservatives and Republicans, because it would suggest the problem was with Romney’s candidacy in particular and not with the movement or the party. But it’s false, and they will not be spared the reckoning about the party’s future.

Tonight Bernie Goldberg on O’Reilly said that Republicans need a candidate with “charisma.” Hitler had charisma. Can we become shallower than we are today? Photo courtesy of baba.yaga H/T I Own The World.

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  • http://mainfo.blogspot.com/ Opus#6@AmericanPerspective

    I saw someone’s buddy on another site said it was a straight abortion vote for her. Until women connect with the concept of respect for unborn life, abortion is sacrosanct (pun intended).

    And although Romney would not have the power to change Roe V Wade, his Supreme Court nominees WOULD. Am I wrong? These folks want to protect their killing mills, 55 million served.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Opus, I don’t think Liberal women will ever make that turn. It’s too inconvenient. Birth control is inconvenient. Thinking a fetus is something other than a human, is inconvenient. You are right, his SCOTUS nominees could change it, but Justices have historically not wanted to touch law that has been law for many years. I don’t think the legality of abortion will ever change, but who knows.

  • http://maggie'snotebook Norma Brown

    I have a feeling a lot of military did NOT show up to vote, maybe because they were angered by Romney’s failure to step forward and speak out about the abysmal situation at Benghazi. Also many evangelicals, who think religion has to be the primary consideration in choosing a president. It drives me crazy — they have an atheist but pro-Islam president, but a Morman isn’t their cup of tea?

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Hi Norma, I have a feeling many military didn’t have the opportunity to vote. A plane crashes in or on the way to Afghanistan with military ballots aboard and we barely hear about it, with no follow-up news. Thousands of military voting assistance centers, to be created by law, never happened. Wisconsin just one among several states who did not get their ballots in the mail on time. It’s mind boggling. We were in an airport election night and I noticed many Military trying to find a place in front of a television (where we could view only CNN). But it had to be discouraging that Benghazi and other security issues were not discussed. We simply had McCain all over again.

      “they have an atheist but pro-Islam president, but a Morman isn’t their cup of tea?”

      I hardly know how to define an evangelical today. Many, many Christians are astonishingly Liberal and are fully behind Obama.

      Among the true evangelical churches (according to my definition of the word) and my friends, they were all voting Romney, and because the Pulpit Freedom Sunday event was of great interest to me here in Tulsa, I had numerous reports of churches either coming out for Romney or urging a vote to bring our country back, after stating the terrible issues we are facing – meaning a vote for Romney. There is a huge divide in the church today. Inside the church, in my opinion, the issue should be the unconstitutional issues that affect the teachings/beliefs of the church, but I find that few pastors who know anything about the Constitution. He/she has the freedom to stand in the pulpit because of, and only because of, our Constitution.

      It drives me crazy too.

  • http://alwaysonwatch3.blogspot.com/ Always On Watch

    I know some evangelicals who stayed home or voted libertarian. These same people were griping like mad about ObamaCare but would not cast any kind of vote against it. Sheesh.

    I think that Rush Limbaugh has explained pretty well what happened. See THIS.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      AOW, voting Libertarian is such a total waste today. I wish the party would go away and work inside the Republican party, but so many are socially liberal, they cannot. I don’t get staying home. The choice was clear. Thanks for the Rush link. I heard him yesterday and he is right. Any Libertarian should be ashamed to be so dependent on Santa Claus.

      • MIchael

        Many Libertarian-minded people did try to work inside the republican party this election. They came in the form of Ron Paul supporters, and constitutionalists within the Tea-party. Many (myself included) were turned off by 1)by the disdain, hostility, and at times outright unwillingness of the Republican party to follow their own rules at the state conventions in regards to national delegate selection. As well as the Rule changes that were made at the National convention, which were supported by the Romney campaign, and REALLY upset Tea party folks. Many Ron Paul supporters (myself included) voted Libertarian, not because we believed they would win (were not that Naive) but to show in actual votes how many votes the GOP lost in pulling the unnecessary shenanigans at the conventions. Also, it sends the message that if the GOP values my vote, they should champion candidates that have records which show they oppose unconstitutional laws and who truly believe in smaller, limited government.
        As far as being socially liberal, you’re right, there are many Libertarians that are, but I know that of the people that traditionally vote republican, yet voted Libertarian this time, there is a mixture of socially conservative and liberal (I’m not liberal at all). Liberty is a very popular view. Ron Paul’s message attracted the youth vote, minorities, and even liberty bent democrats. I hope the GOP realizes it before it thinks that it was Mitt’s campaigns fault, or that it was a Santa-Clausian Obama that was the problem.

        • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

          Michael, it is my assumption that TAXed Enough Already’s voted. I know a lot of them and they all voted. All considered it the most important vote of their lifetime. The TEA party members I know are not ambivalent, even today. But yes, it is an assumption.

          As to what you have said above, I understand what you are saying. I didn’t want Romney as our candidate, but even more so, I didn’t want Obama to win 4 more. There was only one way to make certain that didn’t happen and that was a vote for Romney.

          I’ve felt the only way to change things would be after the election, with 4 years for another Party to form and get a ground game up and running. Everyone knows what needs to be done, so it’s not as if the idea just evolved. If Liberarians can make it happen, more power to them, but it was obvious a vote for Johnson would take a vote away from Romney, and perhaps, but not necessarily, give the election to Obama.

          The assumption has to be that it’s okay for Obama to stay in office and appoint two or more SCOTUS Justices. That’s the bottom line.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Silverfiddle Silverfiddle

    It will be interesting to see an analysis of the numbers. Did Mormon-hating evangelicals stay home?

    Beware, conservatives. Live by the religious kooks, die by the religious kooks.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Silver, I believe in the separation of church and state in the way the Constitution intended it to be separated – meaning, government cannot establish a religion. As I mentioned in my reply back to Norma, the definition of ‘evangelical’ has been skewed. ‘Religious kooks’ are dangerous, and as you point out, people around the world are dying under their thumb.

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.ca Reaganite Republican

    VERY disappointing

    Where’s the logic in that?

    We all came around on Romney when we needed to, everybody with a brain in their head, anyway

  • http://conservativesonfire.wordpress.com Jim at Conservatives on Fire

    I really don’t get it, Maggie. Something seems terribly wrong. The Romney surge after the first debate, the closing of the gender gap, Catholics and Evangelicos were supposed to swarm to Romney, people hate ObamaCare, the disgusting Benghazi debale. What happened. Every conservative pundit and every conservative blogger talked repeatedly of the importance of our getting the vote out. everyone was talking about the Republicans having the enthusiasm advantage. Where did it go?
    What am I missing?

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Jim, I think being “blind-sided” describes it. I’ll be interested to see if some of the fraud claims pan out. I have some very interesting research that is truly scary if it’s true. Whatever you are missing, I’m missing too, although I never discounted the possibility of the Chicago Machine.

  • W.C Taqiyya

    You guys are still hung up on the small picture stuff like abortion and birth control. It’s the larger picture that determined this election. The one you are missing or refuse to acknowledge. Nearly everyone in this country is partially or entirely dependent on the federal government for some tangible benefit. Whether it’s the benefits derived from the privileges and protections of being a ‘minority’ or whether its the paycheck you enjoy as a government worker, retired or disabled person. Whether it’s the tax break, subsidy or direct funding your school, business, industry or charity gets from the federal government or the food stamps that keep you fed. Whether it’s the regulations about smoking or seat belts, bike helmets and everything else under the sun, Americans love government. In large doses. Americans are government dependents and refuse to kick their addiction. The much vaunted tea party was about what? Very modestly, they just didn’t want quite as much money taken from them. They are cool with most of the things the government does and laughably even ‘proud’ to pay those taxes. So, even the short sighted tea party fools love big government. Yes, they really do. And, because nobody will stand first in line to reduce the debt at the expense of themselves, Romney had to lose. Foolish Americans, you have enslaved yourselves to dependency. But, at least with Obama you will enjoy the comfort of a cushion under you for that ride over the cliff. Enjoy.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      W.C. Taquiyya, no I’m not hung up on any of the things you mention and nothing I’ve ever written here would indicate that. I invite you to use the cushion for that cliff. I have my own plan.

      What’s up with your accusatory tone? Nothing here justifies it, so get off of it.

      • W.C Taqiyya

        Accusatory Maggie? Please read your posts and the replies to them. It’s a hodgepodge of speculation about how and why Romney lost the election involving side issues like Roe v. Wade, whether evangelicals voted and how, why some tea party people voted Libertarian, etc. What I refer to as small picture issues. It’s not accusatory to make note of facts my dear. And, in my opinion, they are small picture issues. Not because they are uninteresting, but because they do very little to explain Romney’s very predictable defeat. Which I predicted. In fact, it’s surprising to me that Romney garnered as many votes as he did. But, that’s another story. Now, despite your unjustifiably vicious tone, I will again restate my main point so you can have closure on your search for answers about why Romney lost.

        Americans are super plugged into the government. By which I mean they depend on it for many tangible benefits. Accordingly, most Americans, who are just as selfish as anyone else, will not vote to remove feathers from their nests. It’s really that simple. If it helps, you can call it human nature. Of course there are many variables that affect any random individual’s vote. And those variables are fun to talk about. But, in broad strokes, Romney’s platform mainly appealed to the military-industrial complex and older/retired/white folks. He wanted to increase defense spending and make ‘adjustments’ to social security and cut domestic spending. Older retirees don’t care if they reduce future benefits, they have theirs. However, nearly everyone else does care about reduced benefits. And the list of benefits is very long. And it’s not just about unemployment checks and food stamps. It’s all of the things I listed in my first reply and more. For example, families earning sixty thousand dollars or more per year can qualify for full or partial school lunch assistance. Believe it or not. You might of thought those people could afford to pack a bag lunch, no? My parents did and they made a fraction of 60k. But I guess not. There are LOTS of expensive goodies available for middle class families and federal dollars are involved in all of those programs. Except for real libertarian types, few as they are, Americans will not willingly remove feathers from their nests. Americans are addicted to dependency.

        What about you Maggie? What about your proud tea party friends? Will you be the first to stand up and relinquish the public trough? Will you and the other ‘tea party’ women march to relinquish your protected status as minorities? Will you give up anything? I didn’t think so. Make no mistake, keeping so many Americans like yourself active members of the protected and privileged minority class costs money, lots of money. Tax breaks and subsidies for nearly every major and many minor institutions and industries costs tons of money to. And, I’m not seeing a major urge to give any of that stuff up. Imagine that. Look in the mirror Maggie, tea party and America, the commies are here and they are you. Finally, that’s why Romney had to lose and why it was so easy to correctly predict his loss. Accusatory? Nope, it’s just the facts ma’am. And facts are the poo, so take a big whiff.

        • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

          W.C. Taqiyya, I find nothing in my posts or replies that leads anyone to think I am taking anything from the “public trough,” or approve of anyone else doing so. I am for every necessary cut to bring us back to solvency. Yes I believe that those making $60K or more can apply for “full or partial school assistance.” I hate it. I want to do what is necessary and no where will you find my position any different. My parents never took a nickel from anyone. My dad owned a gas station after working as a salesman for a food company for many years after the war. Dependency has never feathered the nest of anyone in my family.

          This post was in response to a report about McCain’s numbers of votes and evangelicals. It was not my theory but I did give my opinion. I’m not an analyst, but I opinions that are as worthy as yours.

          As a woman who has worked all my life, owned my own successful businesses and helped my husband with his, I have never felt I was a minority. I’m sick of such nonsense.

          Don’t come here and call me a “commie” or tell me to take a “whiff.” You obviously love to leave your lengthy opinions around. If you don’t have a blog, get one, or go elsewhere.

          • W.C Taqiyya

            Sure, your heart is in the right place Maggie. I believe that you don’t consider yourself to be a minority or a communist. But that isn’t the point. It isn’t the point because as a matter of law, you are a minority and as a matter of fact you benefit from the communistic policies and programs. Not you alone. Nearly all Americans are in some measure responsible for the over spending of the government. No, you don’t consciously or intentionally agree with the communistic policies of this country. But, you are in it, you fund it and you enjoy the federally funded tax break given to all women owned businesses. We are all part of the problem. I’m not picking on you as an individual, I can use anyone, myself included, as an example. As a vet, I would get preference for government employment. And that program, whether I use it or not, costs money. We are all caught in this web. Which is what I mean when I say we (Americans) are the problem. What frustrates me is the seeming inability of so many to see this simple fact. It’s much easier to blame the bums collecting food stamps I guess. But, that’s looking at the splinter and ignoring the beam in our eye. If you decide to ban my comments, so be it.

            • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

              I don’t ban people unless they are lewd or harassing. Yes, we are all a part of the problem because we have no power, and we are all caught in the same web. I ask you to remember that when you comment here and call me a “commie.”

              I received no breaks for my gender when I owned by business. NONE. NONE. Now you might think you know better, but you are wrong.

  • http://midnightangel50.blogspot.com Kathleen

    I didn’t stay home. I don’t know about the others.

  • http://therepublicanmother.blogspot.com republicanmother

    I voted for McCain last time, but voted for Gary this time. After how Romney conducted himself in the primary, I wouldn’t have voted for him if he were the last man on earth. I knew for a fact he wasn’t going to lift a finger to repeal Obamacare, reign in the Fed, or cut government in any meaningful way. After 20 years of being done dirty by the promise-breaking Judas’s in the Republican Party, I decided to do somethingdifferent.

    Knowing about the CFR, the one-world government means I don’t wring my hands over a puppet like Obama as so many conservatives do-I instead look to the puppeteer to find something to worry about.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      republicanmother, unfortunately, doing “something different” may have maintained an Obama presidency. I do think it matters. As I said to Michael here, I felt we had to move Obama out, and then work on another type of candidacy – another party. For me it won’t be Libertarian, although I have great respect for much of their platform.

      • http://therepublicanmother.blogspot.com republican mother

        Well, I think we have a fundamentally different perspective on how power really works in this country. The only way we can move back to a constitutionally sound government is to get someone who isn’t in the grip of the power elite. In case you haven’t noticed, the path to socialism has been ongoing for 100 years.

        It’s not the fault of the liberals, either. It’s the fault of the conservatives who stand down each and every time a major turning point comes along. Recall John Roberts rubberstamped Obamacare? How did my voting for Bush help us out there? Why is this? Answer: they’re working for a different agenda than what they advertise. They are all about getting America into the (Luciferian) world government. That’s a whole lot bigger than their teleprompter reading actor, Barack Obama.

  • MIchael

    So I’m curious…

    “Those considered in line with Taxed Enough Already (TEA) philosophies voted”

    How was this confirmed? Where is the source? or is this an assumption?

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Michael, see my answer to you above.

  • ex-repub

    SIMPLE-
    The Republican Platform consists of foreign policy, foreign wars, and outsourcing of factories labelled “free trade”. These policies are paid for by trans-nationals and global companies or operatives of foreign countries who want our military to serve them or want our jobs sent to them.

    The american voters want domestic policies that actually benefit actual american citizens.

    The Republicans are the polar opposite platform of what the actual voter wants, and even though Obama is weak and not trusted by even his democratic base, the Neocon Repub platform is literally written for international oil companies, outsourcers, and foreign countries, and is such a disaster that no one who remembers it will vote for the same thing again. Romney would not even specify which deductions he claimed he would eliminate to pay for military spending that he promised to increase.

    To people who drink this kool-aid this does not make any sense, because they are ideologues that dont consider facts unless they support what the ideologue already believes. The bottom line is, the Repub Neocons are going to blame and encourage others to blame demographics, stay at home voters, poll fraud, or any other nonsense, because they can never admit that the real problem is their platform is bought and paid for by trade scammers, crony capitalists, outsourcers, and foreign nations who want to have access to our rent-a-army to fight their battles.