Weather Service Buys 46000 Rounds of Illegal Hollow Point Bullets: NOAA Needs Hollow Points?

In April 2012 we learned The Department of Homeland Security has been stocking up on many millions of rounds of ammunition of differing caliber bullets, and an unknown quantity of bullet-proof booths to use…on something or someone…somewhere. Today we learn the National Weather Service also needs bullets, hollow point bullets to be exact.

A solicitation which appears on the FedBizOpps website asks for 16,000 rounds of .40 S&W jacketed hollow point (JHP) bullets, noted for their strength, to be delivered to locations in Ellsworth, Maine, and New Bedford, Mass.

A further 6,000 rounds of S&W JHP will be sent to Wall, New Jersey, with another 24,000 rounds of the same bullets heading to the weather station in St. Petersburg, Florida.

The solicitation also asks for 500 paper targets to be delivered to the same locations in Maine, Massachusetts and New Jersey.

The National Weather Service is is one of six scientific agencies that make up the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Source: InfoWars

Don’t get confused about this. This new NOAA ammo order is in addition to the Homeland Security’s 450 MILLION rounds, and in case you missed it, in April the DHS also ordered an additional 750,000 rounds to add to the 450 MILLION. But back to the National Weather Service order:

Hollow point bullets are designed to expand when they enter the body, causing as much damage as possible to internal organs and tissue. They’ve been illegal in international warfare since 1899. Source: Business Insider

An unknown number of bulletproof shelters were on order by DHS in April at the same time we learned of the 450 MILLION rounds. Then there was more:

We’ve also learned that the Department of Homeland Security has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo…for up to 175 million rounds of .233 caliber. The 223 is almost exactly the same rund used by NATO forces…

In April, Doug Ross did the math and it worked out like this: “That’s only two rounds for every man, woman and child in America, which hardly seems enough.” As usual, he was right.

We need someone in Congress explaining these purchases. We can’t believe anything from the Executive Branch. We need to know that Congress knows this is happening. Is it possible hollow point bullets are needed to launch into clouds to possibly produce rain for our drought-stricken country? No, I don’t think so either. Would Congress has a clue if our Government was arming itself against The People – or more specifically against TEAParty-types? I have visions of darker scenarios but…

UPDATE 8-15-12: Could this report be an error? Maybe the order wasn’t for the Weather Service??? 

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  • http://ifyouseekpeace.wordpress.com/ Yos / Si Vis Pacem

    Dunno. Perhaps it’s a simple but unorthodox riposte to the “climate denier” problem. So who’s up next for purchases… National Philharmonic Orchestra?

    What’s that old line about “…to tell which way the wind is blowing?” Whatever, I don’t need them and they don’t need ammo.

  • montanaconserv

    This one just boggles the mind… hey, NOAA.. how about working on getting our weather predictions right… ?

  • http://faithsunansweredquestions.blogspot.com Carl Middleton

    When Americans storm the White House after Obama loses the election and refuses to leave … just wait and see.

  • http://findalismonkeyinthemiddle.blogspot.com/ findalis

    I hope you don’t mind Maggie, but I’m stealing this for Monkey in the Middle.

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  • Rorschach

    NOAA has a small (about 100 officers) law enforcement arm tasked with enforcing fish and game laws on the high seas. so while this sounds weird, there is a logical basis for it.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Rorschach, 46,000 rounds of hollow points??? I don’t see the logic.

  • William Wallace

    Wow you are stupid. The NOAA has law enforcement officers. They carry .40 caliber service weapons.

    http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/

    • http://ifyouseekpeace.wordpress.com/ Yos / Si Vis Pacem

      Hey, Billy, you’re rude and apparently somewhat illiterate.

      NOAA has fisheries law enforcement; we know that. The invoice was for the Weather Service. W-e-a-t-h-e-r S-e-r-v-i-c-e. Was a typo and is being sorted out.

      Let me guess… you’re stuck at GS-9?

      • William Wallace

        No retard. You and your fellow conspiracy kooks are the ones who are illiterate, as the specific issue was addressed by Scott Smullen of the NOAA.

        “Due to a clerical error in the federal business vendor process, a solicitation for ammunition and targets for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement mistakenly identified NOAA’s National Weather Service as the requesting office. The error is being fixed and will soon appear correctly in the electronic federal bidding system. The ammunition is standard issue for many law enforcement agencies and it will be used by 63 NOAA enforcement personnel in their firearms qualifications and training.”

        If you want to continue to believe that Lizard people are coming to put you in FEMA camps, then by all means, keep it up. It’s quite amusing.

        • http://findalismonkeyinthemiddle.blogspot.com/ findalis

          OK. Why does NOAA need Hollow point bullets? Why not regular ammunition? Hollow point bullets do ONE THING. Kill people! Law Enforcement Officers do not carry ammo for killing the suspect, but to wound to immobilize. A dead suspect has too much paperwork attached to it.

          • montanaconserv

            My husband is an ex-cop… the hollow points are used to keep the bullet from entering and exiting the body where it might hurt another person. Yes, they can do a lot of damage, but they are designed to stop the person (hopefully bad guy).

            • Paul

              Just for clarification, hollow point bullets are legal for purchase in the US, just go to Walmart, you’ll see a lot of them in every caliber. They are actually better for self defense in some cases. The idea is that they expand and stay in their intended target, where a full metal jacket bullet could easily pass through a target and injure an unintended target, all the people who got injured in the adjacent theater in the recent Colorado attack are an example of that. Also very useful in law enforcement. I’m not making any statement on gun control. I am a responsible gun owner, but I also believe there are some common sense laws that could be written/enforced to keep these kind of situations to a minimum.

          • Backwoods Engineer

            Bull snot. You show me ONE law enforcement officer who carries full metal jacket. ONE. All the ones I know carry Glocks, most in .40 and 45ACP, and all shoot hollow points.

            I agree, NOAA has no call to be armed in the line of duty. People working on weather stations and the like could carry a personal weapon if their state didn’t proscribe it, but there’s no reason for NOAA people to be armed in the line of duty.

            • http://ifyouseekpeace.wordpress.com/ Yos / Si Vis Pacem

              Actually, the fisheries boys *do* run into a lot of trouble off-shore. It’s not just armed and somewhat inebriated fishermen – they stumble into drug traffickers and similar bad-guys. Their need for .40HP’s is legit.

              Qualifying with “real” ammo is also legitimate; One doesn’t use bargain ammunition on-duty either.

              Caveat: Let’s hope Lil’ Billy Wallace (above) isn’t armed. Can’t read blogs, so G-d knows what he’d pull from a service protocol manual.

        • http://ifyouseekpeace.wordpress.com/ Yos / Si Vis Pacem

          Er, moron, we blogged the clerical error (complete with links to WaPo) this morning before you got up. (yawn)

          It’s not a “conspiracy”, just standard issue government incompetence. For further examples, just re-read your comments.

          Like I said, you’re rude and not exactly literate. Who knows? One day you’ll make GS-10.

          • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

            Not much of an error. The Weather Service is a part of NOAA.

            • http://ifyouseekpeace.wordpress.com/ Yos / Si Vis Pacem

              Hey Maggie, Lil’ Willy Wally’s hysteria notwithstanding, DHS has indeed secured contracts for a fair bit o’ firepower.

              DHS – 450 MILLION rounds of .40 caliber hollow point; DHS (second order) – 750 Million rounds of assorted calibers.”

              That’s well over a billion rounds of *handgun* and rifle ammo, to “homeland” security. Feeling all warm ‘n fuzzy? Me neither.

              • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

                Yos, just found this comment with a link to Givler on the Weather Service Buys 46,0000 Rounds of Illegal Hollow Points. You comment is dated August 15, 2012 – found it in spam. So sorry. I’ll try to catch up.

    • Backwoods Engineer

      And NOAA should not have law enforcement officers.

  • Temper Bay

    Maggie, hollow-points have been outlawed for ‘war’ – not for civilian/law enforcement use in the U.s.. And, 6,000 rounds for a small law enforcement agency is not much at all. I often have 6,000 rounds in one of my closets; not to start a revolution or stop an invasion but for target practice; I’m a target shooter.

    Now, the millions that DHS has ordered does give me concern, and of the same coin DHS itself gives me concern, great concern.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Temper Bay, yes I do realize that hollow points are not outlawed for law enforcement, BUT tell me, add this report to the millions of rounds ordered recently by DHS and other agencies, and explain who this ammo is to be used upon. As Doug Ross said, – that’s two bullets for every man, woman and child in the U.S. (and that was before this report and others).

      So they don’t plan to fight a war with it. That’s the point. I share your concern.

  • Backwoods Engineer

    “Illegal Hollow Point Bullets”

    You are NOT helping yourself or the cause here, Maggie. As others have said, hollow points are proscribed in war by the Geneva Convention. But when was the last time we went to war with a Convention signatory?

    I have 7 hollow points in the gun in the holster I’m wearing NOW, and 22 in the magazines in my pocket. If you live in a state with reasonable laws, these bullets are NOT illegal.

    Please get facts straight, because I really enjoy your site, and want it to continue to have the credibility it has.

    If you need someone to bounce firearms-related matters off of before posting, I’m sure there are a lot of us on this thread who would volunteer to help, including me. I have been shooting virtually my whole life, have a concealed carry license, and have had a good amount of formal firearms training.

    • http://findalismonkeyinthemiddle.blogspot.com/ findalis

      Believe it or not but Iraq is a signatory of the Geneva Conventions of War. As is Pakistan and Afghanistan.

      List of Signatories to the Geneva Conventions of War

      So that point is correct. I am all for Law Enforcements use of Hollow Point Bullets, but the question in this article is why The Weather Service needed to buy them (or any bullets)? Being told that is a glitch in the paperwork is a good excuse. But it could also be an accounting trick to buy something for one agency with funds appropriated for another. That just might be an illegal action.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Backwood Engineer, first thanks for reading here. I understand that you have, and many others of us have, hollow points. I’m only addressing the huge number of rounds of differing ammo that has been ordered recently. From the beginning I have been doubtful that much, if any of it, has anything to do with war. That is my point.

      Thanks for the offer to consult. I’ll take you up on it.

  • Paul

    Hollow point bullets are not illegal. They are used to prevent over penetration (so innocent bystanders don’t get hit by a bullet passing through the bad guy) and increase the likelihood that the bad guy will be stopped.

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