The Bones of Fast and Furious: Hillary Clinton Deep In It?

What if Hillary Clinton and a couple of deputies in the State Department, The National Security Council, Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, the White House, and maybe Senators Durbin and Feinstein were all complicit in Fast and Furious? What if Hillary led the strategic planning? What if the administration wanted to restrict our Second Amendment rights and both she and Barack Obama told us that 90% of the weapons used in crimes in Mexico came from the United States – after Durbin and Feinstein had already set the mood for 90%? What if that statistic was more like 17% – and at least nowhere near 90% or 80% or 70%, they knew it, but they continued the lie? What if Fast and Furious was devised to walk sufficient weapons into Mexico to meet their 90% goal? What if that is the framework, the whole being of Fast and Furious?

Mike Vanderboegh at Sipsey Street Irregulars is the force behind peeling back the layers of Fast and Furious, of government tyranny and the Second Amendment. You’ll have to spend some time at Sipsey Street and look though his massive Fast and Furious archives there and make your own determination about the worth of his information, but if true, the bones of the story are below:

The Examiner, October 7, 2011:

As previously reported, the meme parroted by Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano, and Hillary Clinton concerning the number of American guns used by criminals in Mexico was patently false, and they knew it was false. This is precisely why the Obama Administration concocted the scheme in the first place. If the facts do not prove that 90% of the guns come from the States, then make sure those numbers can be proved correct by walking the guns straight across the southern border directly into the hands of criminals.

Thus, the State Department, the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, the ATF, the FBI, ICE, and a host of other federal agencies went to work to send thousands of guns across the border, deliberately placing them in the hands of the cartels…

One month after Hillary’s trip to Mexico, Barack Obama visited with Mexican President Calderon, where he stated once again,

“This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.”

This was a blatant, barefaced lie.

The much discussed (this past week) press conference of March 24, 2009 happens. Fast and Furious is publicly announced. The issue was important to the President…directed by the President….

March 25, 2009, Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff asked Holder why he is backing off of an assault weapons ban. The belief is that Holder held off until Fast and Furious could get the guns inside Mexico before hammering gun sellers.

After fierce resistance from the gun lobby and its allies in Congress, Attorney General Eric Holder has dialed back talk about reimposing a federal assault weapons ban to help curb the spiraling violence in Mexico.

Mike Vanderboegh at Sipsey Street Irregulars – October 7, 2011:

It is now the morning of 26 March 2009. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is in Mexico City. In an interview recorded the day before with Lara Logan, Clinton says,

“We have to recognize and accept that the demand for drugs from the United States drives them north, and the guns that are used by the drug cartels against the police and the military, 90 percent of them come from America.”…

The next month, President Barack Obama is in Mexico City and at a joint press conference with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, repeats the same meme:

“This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.”

He also says ‘I have not backed off’ on a new assault weapons ban…

Isikoff, Clinton and Obama were simply parroting a meme begun by notoriously anti-firearm Senators Dick Durbin and Dianne Feinstein during a 17 March congressional hearing.

Durbin said: “According to ATF [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], more than 90 percent of the guns seized after raids or shootings in Mexico have been traced right here to the United States of America.”

Feinstein added: “It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico used to shoot judges, police officers, mayors, kidnap innocent people and do terrible things come from the United States, and I think we must put a stop to that.”

The “90 percent” allegation was dutifully reported as fact by a whole host of news organizations including the Christian Science Monitor, Washington Post, the New York Times, NBC and the Chicago Tribune.

Sipsey Street Irregulars, in the article linked and quoted above, reports that Fox News refuted the 90% stat and “put it closer to 17%.” The 17% was refuted of course and bounced back and forth between 80% and 70%. Details here.

Sipsey Street Irregulars – October 10, 2011 (read the details of Hillary’s State Department enablers here):

…What was the importance of insisting that it was 90 percent, 80 percent, or finally 70 percent? Would such statistics make any difference to the law enforcement tactics necessary to curtail them? No…

Recall what the whistleblower ATF agents told us right after this scandal broke in the wake of the death of Brian Terry: “ATF source confirms ‘walking’ guns to Mexico to ‘pad’ statistics.”

In other words, to accomplish the goal of an assault weapon ban, or other assaults on the Second Amendment that the administration lusted for, American guns, in huge quantities had to be found inside Mexico…so we walked them there.

Indeed, our sources say, Hillary was obsessed with defending the 90 percent meme. There was a pervasive sense at the highest levels of the White House, State, Justice and in DHS that the Mexican agony could provide domestic opportunities for Rahm Emanuel’s dictum: “Never let a good crisis go to waste,” the sources say.

At the strategic level, this meant that there were increasing demands for “better statistics.” In other words, if the 90 percent meme was not provable it must be because enough statistics of the “right” sort were not being gathered. Again, the comparison with Vietnam War body counts was striking, say the sources. The demand this time though, as noted above in Part 2, was for statistics indicating defeat, not victory.

Discussions at the White House and within the State Department and DOJ regarding gunwalking were referred to as “strategy meetings on Mexico and the problem of drug and gun trafficking.” James Steinberg from State often represented Hillary at meetings, a fact that she attested to, saying ”

…”Steinberg had been a “fixture” at a meetings with the National Security Council (NSC) and frequently represented the US State Department at the White House.”

The Examiner (see the first link above):

That statement is key. Hillary herself stayed out of all meetings dealing with strategy…Hillary’s absence would give the impression that she had no connection to the scheme while making sure that her views were represented by Steinberg and Shapiro, both of whom were fully complicit with the details that developed concerning how to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico…

Padding the numbers of weapons that were making their way into Mexico had to be done to justify (in their sick and deviant public service minds) a heavier thumb on gun control. “Walking” the guns had to be done.

Americans, both Republicans and Democrats alike, don’t like politicians messing with the Second Amendment, but these Progressives thought they had a chance to engineer a scenario that would render us impotent. Instead, they killed Border Agent Brian Terry and maybe ICE Agent Jaime Zapata, 200-300 Mexican nationals with more deaths expected.

A Twitter story: Rep. Darrell Issa had a television interview with Jake Tapper who was sitting in for George Stephanopoulous. Issa told Tapper that emails within the ATF discussed using Fast and Furious for an assault weapons ban. Tapper intimated that wasn’t enough to prove stricter gun laws were the purpose of Fast and Furious. Issa said (paraphrasing) we don’t know which came first, the chicken or the egg.

I tweeted the following to Tapper:

@JakeTapper Read the docs re: #FastandFurious and 2nd Amendment. Issa: Emails “we can use this” to thwart assault weapons ban

Tapper answered:

@maggiesnotebook thats not the same thing as it being the purpose of the operation

I answered back:

@maggiesnotebook@JakeTapper But…we might know which came first, the chicken or the egg, if the docs were released.

THEN I saw this tweet from former Congressman Tom Tancredo and the article above evolved from there:

Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker

The information Mike at Sipsey Street Irregulars (#justablogger) has uncovered, if accurate, clearly shows that the only goal was to get guns into Mexico, blame American gun sellers and restrict your Second Amendment Rights and mine. Why isn’t Issa hauling Clinton and her deputies from State in front of his Oversight Committee? It’s mindblowing.

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  • http://Normanhooben.blogspot.com Norm

    I knew Hillary was in deep but the video that I saw was pulled almost has fast as it went up…been looking for it ever since. She made some comment that squarely implicates her but I need the evidence before I can post it.

    Norm

    • A.Men

      I remember Shrillary spouting that American guns from America are fueling deaths in Mexico. I think Mexico assisted in Fast and Furious. Mexico is in the cover-up.

    • http://Normanhooben.blogspot.com Norm
      • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

        Thanks for that Norm. If I can find the energy, I’ll transcribe the video. That’s the only defense we have.

  • http://www.ldjackson.net LD Jackson

    I wonder if we will ever know the full extent of Fast and Furious. There is a reason why executive privilege has been invoked. Probably because there is more to hide than we realize. The more I learn about the operation, the more I believe Darrell Issa should hold his ground and continue the investigation. It needs to be followed to the mail culprits behind Fast and Furious.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Larry, if Congress will do their job we can “know.” Somehow, we must begin decrying these Liberal cries of “Witch Hunts” and get to the bottom of a true tragedy. That’s my opinion:-)

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  • Mt Top Patriot

    I keep hearing the circle logic spin excuse Bush did it first. Well if Bush did it first, deliberately walked guns across the border, in the hopes of creating a bloodbath in Mexico to use for a narrative to deprive law abiding American’s of their lawful Liberty of ownership of the same weapons the police and military posses, and you know obama being the Constitutional Law scholar the 5th column media made him out to be, with President Bush being the natural born American fascist racist monster he is, according to king putt for what that is worth, and if holder, nappy the clown, the pants suit, and the “Won” himself are innocent of any treason and murder, why would king putt invoke executive privilege?
    I mean, after all the wining and bitching, all the finger pointing and scapegoating, of President Bush and the Republican’s over the last 4 years for every conceivable sin and malfeasance against humanity, why would obama and the lap dog press want to hide the truth?
    I would think catching the meanie Bush red handed in such a diabolical scandal of murder, felonies, national security breaches, conspiracy, not to mention good old outright lying, and simple old fashion outmoded idea’s of things like treason invented by long dead white guys, holder, obama, maddow and the rest of these fine outstanding law abiding honoring individuals would be killing each other to expose the truth. It would be a stampede.
    Executive privilege would be the last thing on earth to be invoked.
    I mean, the crux of this whole thing is us bitter people in flyover country who cling to things such as guns and bibles, the rule of law?

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Holder specifically told Congress, twice, that he had never connected Fast and Furious to Wide Receiver, but it’s a great talking point for people who know those who listen to them, know nothing.

      As to why O would claim EP, perhaps he thinks Congress won’t really come after him, and he can ride out the storm. Afterall, Congress has had so many chances to take care of Obama, and have refused to do so. It won’t surprise me if this all goes no where.

      Thanks for coming by and adding to the conversation (I’m also in flyover country).

  • chaz

    I was wondering when the Hillary Angle would finally come to light.

    If there was anyone who knew as much about Gunwalker as Holder it had to be Hillary.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      If and when Romney takes the White House, he must clean out the Viper’s Nest at the State Department. G.W. failed to do that. It was a huge mistake.

  • LadyFyreAZ

    Remember this? Hillary Clinton:‘No Evidence’ DOJ Sought Required License to Send Guns to Mexico in ‘Fast and Furious’["no evidence that DOJ had applied for a license or waiver to send guns to a foreign country, which a member of the committee told her would have been required under U.S. law."] http://bit.ly/v9QuPr (October 28, 2011)

  • AZ Horses

    Glad to see this collusion between WH, State, DHS and DOJ documented. When the 90% claims were made in 2009 in high-profile diplomatic events, many of us in the SW dug up the 17% truth and knew that this was conscious propaganda to convince the public of the need to disarm America. So when news of Fast & Furious broke, it was obvious that the scheme was intended to support their claim by planting guns, not to apprehend any criminals on either side of the border.

    Both the House led by Issa and the Senate led by Grassley need our strong support to expose this corrupt criminality by the Obama Administration everywhere the facts lead – not just AG Holder. Perhaps some elected and appointed officials will get the message that they are not above the law, are accountable to the people, and there are consequences. If they believe “the ends justify the means” they must experience the fact that “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      AZ Horses, well said. The “end” in this case resulted in death. F&F was illegal from Day 1.

  • http://conservativesonfire.wordpress.com Jim at Conservatives on Fire

    Sadly, even if the full House backs the contempt charges against Holder, it will take years to work its way through the courts. The circumstancial eveidence of a conspiracy to take away gun rights is compelling and fits with what we know about how these people work.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      Jim, that’s another problem – our courts. But…if we didn’t have a criminal Senate, Holder could be impeached along with Obama and convicted.

  • jo

    This fiasco is now become useful to Republicans, all the way up to the election, but does not include nailing Hillary Clinton. This is simply a case of drip, drip, drip, so long as it works. Hillary is a collateral bombshell that would distract from the presidential campaign to get Obama defeated, even if she were proven the master mind.

  • http://woodstermangotwood.blogspot.com/ Woodsterman

    Liberals lie, but then you knew that.

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  • Dick

    Gun control has been in the Demonrats party platform for decades and congress has no evidence in the “fast and furious” investigation. This investigation is laughable, only if none of your loved ones were murdered, typical government “whitewash.”

  • Francine

    Excellent video with good summation of difference between Bush’s program and Fast and Furious,

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  • http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/ Diplomad

    I deal with the same topic at my blog The Diplomad 2.0 (http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2012/06/where-is-hillary-clinton-on-fast-and.html)

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  • truecolours

    I distinctly remember Hilary driving the fake statistic in early 2008 that the largest percentage of guns in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels were coming from the U.S. while the real statistics just didn’t match up with her claim. Months later came “new alarming” statistics suggesting that the guns were in fact coming from the U.S. and then Brian Terry was killed exposing the whole fast and furious operation. It’s been cover up and bull**t ever since from these criminals. I was recently wondering why no one was bring up this fact that Hilary was really the first and primary official of the Obama administration to promote the idea that guns were going to Mexico from the U.S. Thank you for blogging this very important point. In the new documentary, Dreams from my Real Father; Hilary and Barry Davis a.k.a. Obama(Frank Marshall Davis bastard child) Hilary is exposed as a kindred spirit to Barry’s whole mission in life. To defraud, infiltrate and transform America into a ruined communist state. . .his Real Father’s hate filled dream. With the aid of Bill Ayers, Ayers Sr., Farrakhan, Wright and so many other racist/Marxists.

    • http://maggiesnotebook.com Maggie

      jsblack, I have never been a fan of the Clinton’s, but I am shocked at how far she has gone to drive Marxism, or European Socialism, as some people prefer to call it, in this country. Her original health care plan should have been a huge clue. I hope her supporters are beginning to understand that she is Barack Obama in a pants suit. Thanks for the great comment.

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