Sunday Faith News/Views 2-27-11 @ Maggie’s Notebook: Chrislam, New Zealand, The Bible on the Moon, Numbering Your Days

In the News category this week is the devastating earthquake in Christchurch, New Zealand and Bibles and Communion on the Moon. In the Views category, the advent of Chrislam (or Chr-Islam) and my own viewpoint; and if your days on earth are numbered by The Almighty, can you make it possible to die before your time? See a video on Chrislam below.

"Friday Prayers are our Speciality"


This week we heard Fox News’ Religion correspondent, Lauren Green, talk about the birth of “Chrislam,” supposedly a melding of Christianity and Islam. Some churches around America offer Muslims a meeting place. Others actually worship together.

Some Christians see their outreach to Islam, and sharing their facility, as the “doing good deeds” part of Christianity. Others believe they should welcome Islam because there are some commonalities, such as Muslims believing and revering Jesus as a prophet – failing to acknowledge that you cannot revere Jesus as the Risen Lord, in any way with faith in the words of the Koran. The cornerstone of Christianity cannot meld with Islam with Christ as a prophet.

In the video below Lauren Green points out that if your “Christian” church is only about doing “good deeds,” but you are ignoring the “truth claims,” that Jesus was in no way a prophet, is the risen Lord and “the only way” to Salvation, then you are failing in your knowledge and/or belief of God’s holy word. [Please note, these are my words, my interpretation of what Green was saying].

I believe God works miracles, and I see value in Muslim-Christian contact in the hope of converting from Islam to Christianity, but when it comes to worshipping together, I’m not convinced that God sanctions Christian prayer winging it’s way upward, along with Muslim prayer winging somewhere.

If you understand Christianity, you know the Muslim claim that we worship the same God to be patently false. I’m not saying Muslims are making this claim with malice, but I do believe they do not know the same God we know. I do not believe they are familiar with God’s Holy Word. If you are going to accept a “god,” who would not want to accept the Christian God? Who would want the brutal Allah of Muhammed? Why would anyone deny the teachings of Muhammad’s Allah are brutal, unforgiving and offer no Salvation. Why would anyone choose Allah as the way forward when there are hideous requirements to lead you “there?”

As a Christian worshipping in a Christian church, I do not want a Muslim praying in my sanctuary. Islam encourages prayer for the demise of infidels. Islam encourages lying in every aspect of their faith if the goal is thwarting Islamic unbelief. If a country hinders the spread of Islam in any way, Muslims are obliged to wage holy war:

Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know…

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

If you have not read Robert Spencer’s The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, I recommend it. Of special interest is the talk of tolerance in Islam – we hear a lot about that in the U.S. Spencer gives the chapter and sura (verse) that abrogates every “tolerant” teaching in the Koran. The Verse of the Sword (9:5) erases every peaceful verse, because “Allah can change or cancel what he tells Muslims,” and Muhammed did just that.

I know many believe their peaceful, jihad-hating Muslim neighbors do not believe this, but it is a fact that the Koran plans to end your life as an infidel. You can worship their Allah, or you can pay an Islamic tax and continue to worship as a Christian enslaved under Islam, and die sooner than later, or you can die as soon as they can figure out a way to kill you in the name of their god, in the way of jihad. These are the choices of Islam.

At The Last Crusades (where I found the photo of Beulah Cumberland Presbyterian Church) Dr. Paul Williams points out that in some Chrislam gatherings, Sunday School lessons center on “the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammed, and Korans will be placed in the pews, next to Bibles. He also says Rick Warren and Robert Schuller have “embraced” Chrislam.

Belief in the divinity of Jesus is condemned in Islam as shirk (filth)

Let us be mindful, that in America, Muslims have many opportunities for worship. There are thousands of mosques available to them across the U.S. They have no need for a Christian church building, although they may have a desire for an opportunity to worship an Allah, rather than “the God,” in a Christian building, in order to please their Allah, as they work toward the establishment of their Islamic Caliphate.

I hope you will leave your thoughts about Chrislam in comments.



Carl at GOD’S ANSWER is always Jesus talks about Job 14:1-5 and Psalms 55:23 this morning. The question is, I believe, focused on “predestination.” I will be asking Carl about this this, so could be that I am wrong.

If God knows your “appointed bounds” and if He “fixed and settled” those bounds, is it possible that you will die sooner than those “fixed and settled” bounds?

Carl moves to Psalms 55:23 – “bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days….” This is a wonderful discussion at GOD’S ANSWER is always Jesus. I hope you will read it and tell him what you think. I did.

If you are not familiar with Job and his afflictions, this study gives some insight.

Carol Mersch - Author of The Apostles of Apollo

THE BIBLE ON THE MOON – “The Apostles of Apollo:

An article in my hometown paper, The Tulsa World, features businesswoman and author, Carol Mersch. She has spent five years “documenting how the Apollo astronauts carried artifacts of their faith into space.”  Merch says the thread of her book, The Apostles of Apollo,” is the Bible’s journey to the Moon, but also is a history of the Apollo program.

Mersch said the first Bibles to actually reach the lunar surface were 100 microfilm copies carried by Mitchell on Apollo 14. Each 1.5-inch by 1.5-inch piece of film contains all 1,245 pages of the King James Bible. Mersch’s copy is one of them.

The Bibles were carried in the memory of astronaut Ed White, one of three astronauts killed in the January 1967 Apollo 1 launch pad fire. White had planned to carry a Bible into space.

Tom Stafford took a small black Bible with him into orbit around the moon on Apollo 10, a Bible that his mother had read to him daily when he was growing up.
Alan Bean, who was on Apollo 12, almost carried the first Bible to the lunar surface. His Bible was inadvertently packed in the command module, which orbited the moon instead of the lunar module, which landed on the moon.

Bibles also went up with the aborted Apollo 13 mission and never made it to the moon.

Dave Scott, commander of the Apollo 15 flight, left a red Bible propped up on the lunar rover that was left on the moon.

Buzz Aldrin likely is the only man to take Communion on the lunar surface.
Aldrin and Apollo 11 commander Neil Armstrong, the first men on the moon, landed the lunar module in the Sea of Tranquility on July 20, 1969. Aldrin earlier had obtained permission from NASA and the Presbyterian Church to have Communion.

In the hours before the lunar module was depressurized and the door was opened, Aldrin took out a small silver chalice, wine, and a piece of bread broken from a loaf at his Presbyterian Church in Webster, Texas.

He offered the elements to Armstrong, who said: “No, I don’t believe so. But if that’s your thing, go ahead.”

At 3:30 p.m. Houston time, Aldrin read aloud the verse John 15:5 and privately took Communion, just hours after his fellow church members back home took Communion from the same loaf of bread.

Read more of this enlightening story from the Tulsa World.

Christchurch Cathedral


Christchurch, New Zealand was in the news and in our prayers this week, as a second earthquake, associated with a previous one in September 2010, hit and finished off much of the already compromised infrastructure and buildings. This morning, the residents of Christchurch churches gathered outside, in fear of further aftershocks. The iconic Christchurch Cathedral spire toppled and killed 20 under it’s rubble. The death toll stands at 144.

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Lauren Green on Fox and Friends – Chrislam (video)

Sending God’s blessings to my readers this Sunday.

Previous Sunday Faith News/Views:

February 19, 2011: Dr. Tom Little murdered by Taliban in Afghanistan; Grace and Mercy Hebrews 4:14-16;  Video: Kamal Saleem, A Muslim Cries out to Jesus

February 13, 2011: Video of Tommy Emmanuel Guitar: Amazing Grace; Echoes of God; Binding and Loosing Matthew 18:19; Did you know there is such a thing as Christian news from a black Christian perspective?; and a Yale Divinity School graduate student talks about Christianity in Egypt.

January 23, 2011: Is Christianity conservative, socialist/left or neither?; The New Year’s Day attack against te Coptic Christian Church in Alexandria, Egypt; Lahore, Pakistan – Christians converting to Islam to keep families safe; The Spirit of Fear 2nd Timothy 1:7, How to politely call someone a Bastard; Are dead birds and fish around the world a sign of end days?, The Pagan Caucus.

January 16, 2011: The European Union erases Christianity from calendars; The Christian church in Armenia, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’ Rabbi speaks; How would Eve know evil before God revealed it?; Protecting Christians in Islamic countries, 70 Christians jailed in Iran since Christmas 2010, Being a blessing to those you love, What Really Happened in Eden; Can we see Jesus Better Than the Saints in the Bible, and the Eyes to see the Risen Lord;

January 9, 2011: the Christian church in Irbil, Iraq; Christians dying at the hands of Islam in Iraq; Blotting out the Law – Jesus took it out of the way; The American Patriot’s Bible and Abraham Lincoln; Christian blogs; The UK YWCA renames itself – “Christian” no longer represents the YWCA women; Faith and you iPhone.

January 2, 2011: The Ten Commandments and God’s will for The Law in our lives today – Colossians 2:14; A story of faith and the Rose Bowl, The new Congress may be the most pro-life House ever; New oversight of taxpayer money going to the United Nations and The Epiphany and Christian traditions blessing your home.


  • Hi Maggie … Your readers need to see your question and part of your comment to me.

    “Carl, is it correct to say that you are exploring predestination? Is it possible God plans, over and over, for our time here on earth to be even more fleeting than that we consider a full life?

    I believe the answer is yes. That every life, even if only a tiny second long, even every life dead before leaving the womb, fulfilled a purpose designed by The Almighty.

    If that is true, then each beating heart affected someone, somewhere for good.”

    Exploring predestination? Honestly … no. I was just trying to show that our time on earth is known only to God. We may think we are in control of our lives and have all the time in the world, but we don’t.

    But you have raised a most interesting subject … one which I find to a certain degree a little troubling doctrinally. Does God give some more time than others? The answer is obviously and unmistakably … yes.

    The Apostle Paul talked about running the race that is set before us. Is it a sprint, middle distance mile or a marathon? Again, only God knows. But at the same time He has given man free will or “choice” which can change everything.

    To add a little more understanding concerning the workings of God, I give the following short discourse from one of my previous posting from October 2010.

    God, the Creator of all things, upholds, directs, disposes, and governs … all … creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest event to the least, by His wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge, and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, goodness, grace and mercy … forever.

    God, from all eternity, by the counsel of His own will, freely ordains whatsoever comes to pass; but yet … God is not the author of sin; but has decreed the evil in nature and its second causes be established as a result of sin.

    Although God knows what will come to pass in all future conditions; He has not decreed any such thing because He foresaw it in the future, as that which would come to pass, upon such conditions. Those that choose life have been chosen out of His free grace and mercy alone, without any foresight of faith, good works or any other thing in the creature, such as conditions or causes moving God to do so.

    As to mankind in general; God extends or withholds His grace and mercy as He pleases in accordance with His will and sovereign power over His creatures. By doing so He ordains them to honor or dishonor in the same manner as seems good to the potter over the clay.

    God may for a season lead His own children into various trials to test the integrity and honesty of their own hearts; to help them discover any strongholds of sin hidden in their hearts so they may be humbled; and to bring them to a closer and constant dependence on Him for their support and care, and to make them more watchful against that sin.

    And lastly … what looks like predestination can be confusing and troubling doctrinally.

    As for unrepentant, sinful and ungodly men, God not only withholds His grace, but exposes them to their own lusts and gives them over to their moral perversions, the temptations of the world and the power of Satan; whereby it comes to pass that they harden themselves under the same means which God uses for the softening of others.

    A good example of this might be Judas betraying Jesus. Some say he didn’t have a choice. Was his free will taken from him? If so, then it would not have been his will; it would have been God’s and that cannot be. Why is that?

    Because God is not the author of sin.

    I hope this might help.

  • Hi Carl, I do not believe in “predestination” because I do believe in free will that will be judged by God. I know you do not believe in predestination either. I saw your post as a possible refutation of predestination. I believe we can shorten our own lives, and we do it often, however, I believe if God wants to halt that death He will, and I believe we see that often when we wonder why this one WILL die, but THAT one is allowed to live on.

  • The mixing of Christianity and Islam is inane. And those espousing that idea are naive membranes willing to believe that there is no such thing as Evil. As long as Islam exists it will embrace Sharia. As long as Sharia exists there can be no freedom. Freedom, democracy and Sharia law cannot EVER co-exist. Those who believe so are not only naive and dangerous, but perhaps evil in themselves for selling freedom, self-determination, free will and justice out.


    • BZ, I’m sure the churches who would give even a passing thought to combining the two are active members in the National Council of Churches. Those people are are arrogant idiots.

      I really believe it goes back to believing the claims of tolerance in Islam. They know nothing about it, and have done nothing to understand it.

  • It is an affront to God to link his name with Islam (Chrislam) IMO. A bunch of “Christians” who have been led down the politically correct path of destruction.

    You really can’t expect much from a society that is contracepting and aborting its way to extinction, practicing new age mantras, and all the while singing a happy-clappy Kumbaya while sitting around a campfire.

    • Adrienne, I can’t imagine what God thinks when he looks down and see this mess. As I mentioned to BZ, that politically correct path you mention is strewn with rose petals by the National Council of Churches.

  • I’m sure He’s sitting somewhere rolling His eyes and saying, “good grief!”

  • Maggie … I love your line about “Muslim prayer winging somewhere.” There is no Allah. That’s why Islamic prayer goes nowhere … no one is listening. Islam is just the imaginations of a satanic inspired madman. Maggie you covered the idea of “Chrislam” wonderfully … great job. You have spoken well for our Lord. Chrislam?? Talk about sheep being led to the slaughter.

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