The Cult of Zeitgeist – Jared Loughner Part 2

This is the second part, and last look at the movie (promoted as a documentary) Zeitgeist, and Tucson shooter, Jared Loughner’s obsession with the tenants proclaimed by Zeitgeist writer and filmmaker, Peter Joseph. To start at the beginning, read Part 1. Don’t miss the parts about Fox News.

Peter Joseph: Zeitgeist

The question raging: Is Zeitgeist a radical Right movement, proving that Jared Loughner is a “right-wing extremist?”

There is no doubt that Zeitgeist is not radical Right. It isn’t even moderately Right. It isn’t even a little bit Right.

Below is what I hear in the movie Zeitgeist, beginning about 1 hour-in and with the segment on war. To see the first part, which includes Christianity and the Federal Reserve, read this.

I typed as I listened. Anything in brackets [ ] are my comments. You’ll see that Fox News is villified as lying to their audience, and manipulating their audience. Jared Loughner, over and over, viewed this focus on Fox News. You have to be a Leftist to hate Fox News. Zeitgeist is decidedly Left on Fox.

A recap on Christianity from Part I (Loughner is an atheist):

Conservatives/Republicans in general, do not believe Jesus is a clone of early mythical gods or saviors. Zeitgeist fervently, methodically, and in great detail teaches that God and Jesus Christ are a mythological construct. Jared Loughner ended one of the rants on his website with: “No! I won’t trust in God!”

Zeitgeist’s take on religion is decidedly Left-wing.

Recap on the 9/11 Truther postion from Part 1, which is most often identified with those on the Right, however, many Muslims believe 9/11 was a government demolition…and oh yes, how about all those “academics?” The Left believing the war-mongering Right collapsed the World Trade Centers and blew up the pentagon; Brigham Young Professor Steven Jones, University of Minnesota Professor James Fetzer to name two of the 75. As I read around about Loughner and 9/11 Truthers, I see Alex Jones at InfoWars used as an example of the radical Right. In this case, maybe we just have to admit that some on the Right and some on the Left are Truthers.

UPDATE: Jeremayakovka reminds that former Obama appointee for “Special Advisor for Green Jobs” was also a 9/11 Truther.

The 9/11 Truther position is adored by both far Left and far Right.

Recap on the Federal Reserve and Currency from Part 1 ( Zeitgeist presents the Fed as a conspiracy against the people to fund big banking):

The Federal Reserve, what it does, how it does it, and why, should always be a bi-partisan question if our Congress is to ably protect “we the people,” and keep our economy stable. As Republican Senator Jim DeMint proposed, we need some sunshine shining brightly on the Federal Reserve.

It is a mixed bag. The long history of support for and against the Federal Reserve is represented in both parties. Today, I believe if Congress could come up with a way to rework our money system…a way that would provide economic stability, it would be done in a flash.

Perhaps the Fed was implemented to give control to powerful bankers, as Zeitgeist does more than suggest, without a single Democrat voting against it, but whatever happened in 1913, and for whatever reasons, this is now the 21st Century and apparently no one has a good way to rework how the U.S. gets the money it so freely spends.

If the matter does not have bi-partisan concern, then shame on Democrats – and note that Zeitgeist offers not a single solution. After the movie tells you of the conspiracy perpetrated by evil bankers, it moves right on. No solutions other than the possibility of backing currency with gold and silver. Great idea. Now someone needs to figure out how to do so.

In the real world, the Federal Reserve is of concern to every thinking person. How Loughner’s “thinking” morphed into madness was likely more that it fit his “other” Zeitgeist fantasies of “mind-control” and language/grammar being controlled by the Government, and Loughner’s own words to his “listener:”

No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver!

No! I won’t trust in God!”

The Federal Reserve should be bi-partisan, and I can find no evidence that it is either Right or Left in Congress.

The following begins Part 2 of The Cult of Zeitgeist – Jared Loughner

On Wars: [Zeitgeist is decidedly Left on war]

WWI: Zeitgeist believes our wars are a conspiracy of bankers. The sinking of the Lusitania in 1915 was a planned act, killing 1200, enabling America to enter the war. A few months after Woodrow Wilson moved into the White House, elected on platform of “No War,” an international delegation met with the president and told him if American did not enter the war, the $5-$6 Billion dollars owed to the U.S. by England, France and Italy, could never be repaid.

It has been estimated by statisticians and economists and researchers that the war…yielded $16,000,000,000 in profits. That is how the 21,000 billionaires and millionaires got that way. This $16,000,000,000 profits is not to be sneezed at. ~ Major General Smedley D. Butler 1935 [USMC]

So WWI was created, and had, to benefit America.

WWII: The Japanese attacks on Pearl Harbor drove the U.S. into WWII, but not because of the bombs dropped on our own. Zeitgeist promotes that the attacks were not unexpected, in fact, they were provoked. [We’ve heard this many, many times. It hasn’t driven most of nuts – but, Jared Loughner….?]

Germany’s Nazi domination was supported by J. D. Rockefeller’s U.S. Standard Oil through German bombmaker I.G. Farben. The German Air Force could not operate without an additive manufactured by Standard Oil. The bombing of London by Germany was made possible by Standard Oil through a $20 million sale of fuel to I.G. Farben by Rockefeller. American businesses funded both sides of World War II.

Union Banking Corp of New York City financed Hitler’s rise to power, and was a Nazi money laundering entity. Union Banking was eventually seized for violating The Trading with the Enemy Act. Prescott Bush, Director and VP of Union Banking, was the father of George H. W. Bush and the grandfather of George W. Bush. [Loughner hated G. W. Bush].

Vietnam: The Gulf of Tonkin incidents – two of them, [during the time Democrat Lyndon Johnson was president] – one of which was claimed by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara [Democrat] to have never happened, was the catalyst for full-fledged warfare. Manipulated for the purpose of war.

Rockefeller interests had munitions factories in the Soviet Union, which they used to manufacture weapons to be used in Vietnam against Americans.

Zeitgeist names the U.S. Military Rules of Engagement for the Vietnam War, and they do not favor American success. Vietnam was told of our restrictions and the enemy planned accordingly. This is why the Vietnam War went on for so long, and the bottom line is this: the war was never meant to be won, just sustained. This war for profit and resources resulted in 58,000 deaths.

Zeigteist now moves back to September 11, 2001 and again promotes it as a crisis perpetrated by our Government, for the same reasons we manufactured reasons to get into WWI, WWII and Vietnam – money and power.

The creation of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act were created for power against the people, not for the people. History repeats itself: Hitler’s act of burning his own Reichstag building and then creating powers similar to those after 9/11, but which dissolved the German Constitution.

George W. Bush is shown as a dictator [not exactly a Right-Wing position!] and several frames show Fox News as lying to the people …manipulating the people. [How many frames, I count 8 ONLY FROM FOX NEWS].

Fox News has hidden that the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars led to the destabilization of the Middle East – exactly what Western interests wanted. Sustained so the regionan be divided up and oil seized by the West, [certainly has not happened, has it?] to benefit contractors and to provide permanent U.S. bases in Iraq, to be used as a launching pad against other non-conforming oil producing countries…such as Iran.

In 2005, two Brits were arrested in Basra, Iraq for driving around, disguised as Arabs and shooting at people. The U.K. demanded their release. Brit tanks came and physically recovered their men. A narrator says the strategy used by the West to destroy Iraq was to pit Iraqi against Iraqi – they kill each other. [the inference, the West caused this happen, completely ignoring that the Sunni’s and Shia’s had been killing each other from time immemorial. Brilliant]. The U.S. was attempting to create an “empire” with it’s engagement in Iraq.

Education: Government financed schools are getting what they want. They do not want our children to succeed. This way, our uneducated people cannot get in the way of those in power. [Keep us ignorant and we won’t know what is being doine to us]. Clips are shown from the movie “Network.” Fox News clips creep onto the screen, one, twice as network rages.

More Fox News clips along with NBC and MSNBC. Aaron Russo, a filmmaker says he was introduced to Nick Rockefeller, who over time gives Russo information on a plan to create a War on Terror – this happening months before 9/11/01. When Russo asks why Rockefeller would do this, he says it is about making money and taking care of his family. Zeitgeist mentions “a chip.” [This from a video of Russo talking about the chips Rockefeller told him about. We will have a “chip” implanted, and “they” will take our money out of our chip! “Everyone will be chipped.” [Russo says it is about One World Government].

Diane Sawyer interviews the first couple to volunteer to have a chip implanted, Andy Rooney is seen saying he would not mind being implanted. George Orwells 1984 is quoted. Under the guise of security, we can see a world of everyone being tracked, and we will do it voluntarily. Religion, patriotism, wealth and class – every form of separatism lends us to being completely enslaved.

[Conservatives/Republicans will certainly oppose being “chipped.” I would think Liberals/Democrats will do the same, although…. I do know that refusing to ask voters for proper I.D. is opposed by Democrats – but that has to do with creating voters. The bigger message here is the government conspiracy theory. Right or Left? I don’t know. The concern should be completely bi-partisan.]

Only our personal ability to recognize our power – we are powerful, beautiful and extraordinary. There is no reason why the average person cannot understand that we are powerful people.

The movie ends with promo-ing the coming Zeitgeist Revolution.

So we see Jared Loughner agreeing that Conservatives/Republicans caused unjust wars for power and money – a Leftist position.

We see Loughner tuning into Zeitgeist to add fuel to his hate-fire of George W. Bush, whose family brought about their wealth and power through wartime – a Leftist position.

We see Loughner watching, over and over, the segments on wars perpetrated for profit. WWI was started and ended in the terms of a Republican president. WWII  began and ended in the terms of a Democrat president. The Vietnam War began in the term of a Democrat president and ended in the term of a Republican president. Did Loughner even know who was in power at wartime? I doubt it, and Zeitgeist barely touch skims it.

Jared Loughner was an angry young man, no doubt mentally ill, but well enough to know that what he planned to do was evil…was wrong. That smirk on his face in his mugshot – not unfamiliar to his friends who have said looking into his eyes was scary long before he murdered – was likely recognition that he now would be infamous.

In addition to Zeitgeist, Zeitgeist Addendum 2008, there is The Venus Project, designed to bring about an actual movement. I found this explanation which represents what I’ve read, but…no guarantees:

The goal is to revise our world society in accord with present day knowledge on all levels, not only creating awareness of social and technological possibilities many have been conditioned to think impossible or against “human nature”, but also to provide a means to overcome those elements in society which perpetuate these outdated systems.

This grassroots movement advocates social awareness and broad social change concepts—the most significant of which is the transition to a modern global society and aResource based economy from the current monetary-based economy.
Question: how does one actually think these utopian fantasies would function without people in power?
Peter Joseph, the film’s director and the evening’s M.C., stepped out from behind his lectern and walked forward earnestly on the stage.
In his goatee and mustache and tieless in a brown suit, Mr. Joseph had been lecturing for nearly 90 minutes on the unsustainable nature of the money-based economy — on cyclical consumption, planned obsolescence, corporate malfeasance and piles of poisonous waste. “It’s time that we wake up,” he intoned, speaking solemnly through a wireless clip-on mike. “The doomsday scenario, the big contraction, might be happening right now. The system of monetary exchange is — in the face of advancing technology — completely obsolete.”
This drew wild applause from the sold-out crowd, a patchwork of perhaps 900 people…
A third Zeitgeist Movement film, Zeitgiest Moving Forward was schedule for release January 15, 2011. Zeitgeist founder says it will focus on “human behavior, technology and rationality. See the trailer here.

One must employ the willing suspension of disbelief to think Jared Lee Loughner was a right-wing extremist.

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  • inge

    The title of ‘Zeitgeist’ does not respond to their utopian dreams; namely translated
    Zeit = Time, and also period

    Therefore when you watch ‘Zeitgeist’, the title gives it away as being a ‘farce’!

    • You step over homeless people to get into your BMW don’t you?

      • As a zeitgeist movement member, as you declare, you are proving my point: zeitgeist has no connection to anything on the right.

        • Right wing, Left wing….. these people are not elected to change anything……Does anyone care if hes a democrat or a republican?

          750 children starved to death in the time it took me to post this

          • Okay, this is the end of this conversation, so if you want to waste your time commenting here and give me hits, go right ahead.

            The Left claimed that Loughner was Right. Get it. I have no other interest in Zeitgeist. Period.

            About starving children, you have no knowledge of what I do philanthropically, so don’t quote you states to me.

            Remove the Leftists leaders around the world, give women and children true dignity and respect in warlord countries, and the world thrives.

  • Question: how does one actually think these utopian fantasies would function without people in power?

    Answer: Why would you need people in power in a resourced based economy?

    • zeitgeist movement member: you do not fully understand the concept of man’s quest for power.

  • Daniel

    Maggie, this is how the current power structure is going to be overthrown.

    I hope you will bother to take the time to watch this 4 minute video explaining this new process that will no doubt rock the foundation of everything we hold dear. The beauty of it is that it is using free market ideals to destroy crony capitalist free market ideals. This will decentralize that power and I can’t wait to see the neocons scratching their head thinking that this is somehow unamerican.

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